"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
04/18/2018 at 00:09 • Filed to: None
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"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
04/18/2018 at 00:09 • Filed to: None | 1
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Vtac Miata for your time. I have relatives that don’t believe in medicine. Their kid needs a real doctor. Can I do anything without parental consent? Anyone been in a similar situation?
2nd or 3rd cousins who live fairly close. I’ve met them twice, heard about them a few other times, cut them out of my life. I’m not going to beat around the bush, the parents are complete idiots and the two kids are suffering because of it. They’re only allowed to see naturopaths, which has gone just as poorly as you might imagine.
The parents are cut off from most of the family because... Well. What can you say to someone who believes tetanus shots are a conspiracy theory and are vehemently apposed to real, actual-this-stuff-works medicine? There’s a line of stupidity I can tolerate and the antivax crowd is well past that line. The kids however, are both welcome anytime and somehow have managed to grow into exceptionally sharp, motivated people despite the environment they’ve been brought up in. They occasionally show up or ask one of us for help and the rest of the family worries about them constantly (they’re 13 and 15).
The younger one called earlier describing symptoms that sound like tonsillitis, strep or some other throat infection. Swollen lymph nodes, very painful swallowing, red tonsils, fever, etc. I’d like to take him to a doctor that doesn’t believe in fairy magic and the power of healing words but I’m unsure how best to proceed. There is a 0% chance of getting either of the nut job parents to agree to this
Thoughts?
Chariotoflove
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:14 |
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Well, short term it’s possible you could take them to an urgent care place or ER, but they’ll want guardian consent to treat a minor. Long term, the only way I can see is to get CPS involved in removing the kids in the basis that they’re in physical danger. That’s almost more traumatic in itself and very difficult.
You may have to just pray for them until they reach majority.
AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:14 |
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I’m not sure on the legality of intervening for the kids, however do you know if the kids have insurance under their parents? I can’t imagine people who don’t believe in medicine have health insurance. That could be catastrophic for everyone if they don’t
wafflesnfalafel
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:17 |
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AestheticsInMotion
> Chariotoflove
04/18/2018 at 00:20 |
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Well... I rate prayer higher than naturopathy in terms of medicinal value so that’s an idea.
The whole situation is mildly infuriating
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AestheticsInMotion
> wafflesnfalafel
04/18/2018 at 00:21 |
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Thank you for that
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Chariotoflove
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:23 |
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More than mildly when kids are the victims. I asked my wife, the pediatrician, and she has nothing more to offer either.
LOREM IPSUM
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:27 |
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Ask the parents if they have heard of these like minded former parents, and ask if they too want to end up in front of a judge staring down the barrel of decades in prison for failing to provide necessary medical aid to their legal dependant.
God forbid their kid gets really sick and dies, but if it does I hope they put the parents under the damn jail... And you can tell them I said so.
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AestheticsInMotion
> LOREM IPSUM
04/18/2018 at 00:38 |
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“Husband free on bond, wife got a few months houses arrest”
That seems a bit lenient. Here’s hoping they’re put away for a long time and it’s incredibly public for all the other parents out there with similar beliefs
RPM esq.
> Chariotoflove
04/18/2018 at 00:46 |
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If they’re that sick an ER won’t wait for consent to treat them. Not every minor who walks in or shows up in an ambulance has a parent with them.
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LOREM IPSUM
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:48 |
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I’m hoping they get buried on the appeal, personally. Or just buried, period.
I can only assume the US justice system would be less lenient.
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RPM esq.
> LOREM IPSUM
04/18/2018 at 00:51 |
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Canadian legal precedent does not go far in American courts, for some reason.
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LOREM IPSUM
> RPM esq.
04/18/2018 at 00:52 |
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No, but negligent homicide is probably frowned upon in America nonetheless.
gettingoldercarguy
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 00:56 |
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Call CPS anonymously stating you’re worried about medical neglect.
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gettingoldercarguy
> gettingoldercarguy
04/18/2018 at 00:57 |
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This is from a doctor’s mouth that knows directly.
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RPM esq.
> LOREM IPSUM
04/18/2018 at 01:01 |
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A lot less so than you might think:
Specifically, if they’re Christian Scientists in Washington (and it sounds like they are), at least until recently they could more or less
let their kid die
without punishment. I don’t know if the law remains the same.
Svend
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 01:01 |
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It’s a tricky situation.
You can’t take them yourself because that’s breaking the law.
Do you have emergency, late or out of hours doctors that do home visits?
You could phone one while they are at your house, let the doctor see them then let the legal system take it up when the parents deny treatment.
Or take them to an Emergency Room, let the nurse see them, then when they call the parents to confirm treatment is okay to proceed, then like before let the system take up the slack when the parents deny treatment.
Either way it’s putting yourself in an awkward way with the family but if you don’t get on with them, it’s not really an issue, it’s also not breaking the law, it’s letting someone with medical training see them and then pursuing it if they deem the child is at risk.
It’s awful that there are still anti medical treatment in this world.
I don’t mind people putting themselves at risk, but when it risks the life and we’ll being of others, that’s what really posses me off.
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LOREM IPSUM
> gettingoldercarguy
04/18/2018 at 01:05 |
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Under these circumstances, I agree. It’s not like they’re just going to show up and take the kids, but someone with some authority will begin taking notice and hopefully ensure the kid gets the treatment they need. At that point, if the parents want to fight it, maybe getting sent to a family members house to live (or worst case fostercare) isn’t so bad... All things considered.
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LOREM IPSUM
> RPM esq.
04/18/2018 at 01:07 |
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Well ain’t that some shit. :(
I had a relative who was a Christian Scientist. Apparently they didn’t have the cure for cancer either.
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gettingoldercarguy
> LOREM IPSUM
04/18/2018 at 01:07 |
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I would much rather endure somebody else’s resentment than my own neglect.
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gettingoldercarguy
> Svend
04/18/2018 at 01:11 |
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https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1825345373
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Svend
> gettingoldercarguy
04/18/2018 at 01:17 |
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Sorry. I didn’t see that post. I’m on my mobile, so have to keep clicking ‘see more posts’.
Thankfully in the several years I was an ambulance officer we never had any parents that refuse treatment (a couple of older and should know better drunks who thought our ambulance was a personal taxi service yes).
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LOREM IPSUM
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 01:37 |
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Got bored. Ended up on Giz.
https://gizmodo.com/homeopath-says-she-used-dog-rabies-saliva-to-cure-misbe-1825335461
Now feeling just ever so slightly homicidal.
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gettingoldercarguy
> Svend
04/18/2018 at 01:38 |
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No worries man, I just wanted you to check it out. Easiest way of taking care of this without putting anybody at undue risk.
E92M3
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 08:23 |
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You could file a complaint with Health and Human Services. If you want to do that, better do it now. Each case worker is overwhelmed with cases, so it could be a couple weeks before they even start to look into it. They have to look into it, but they are also allowed to prioritize their cases. Small children that are suffering physical/mental abuse, or malnutrition tend to come first.
Milky
> RPM esq.
04/18/2018 at 09:34 |
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Who the fuck passes these laws?
mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 09:51 |
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Just saw this post and it looks like you got the help you needed. Shitty situation. The good news is with something like what you think they have, a doctor will just give them something to mask the symptoms and then maybe an antibiotic, which if diagnosed properly is treatable using homeopathy/plant oils. The overuse of synthetic antibiotics scare me... that’s how mrsa came to exist. They are just dumbed down synthetic versions of the active ingredients in plant oils. The bad news is most homeopathic care is done by people who are in no way qualified. Good luck man. On another note: when did you fit the s2k seats?? How did you do it??
DipodomysDeserti
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 09:51 |
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Natropaths can get doctorates in AZ and open up their own clinics. They usually work as general practitioners. We have a natropathy medical school which trains them. Unlike religion, they use use the scientific method to develop treatments. However, a good natropath will tell you when a disease is beyond the scope of their practice. A whole lot of medicines are just comcentated forms of naturally occuring compounds.
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Chariotoflove
> RPM esq.
04/18/2018 at 10:41 |
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You’re right. I was thinking about what he said about sore throats and fever. For sure if the kid were a trauma victim, they’d treat first and worry about consent later. And no question that’s where I’d take him in that situation.
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AestheticsInMotion
> DipodomysDeserti
04/18/2018 at 10:49 |
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Unfortunately there a few states offering similar recognition right now. I’m all for a well-rounded approach to medicine, focusing on total health and root causes (which is something our system is fairly bad at) but come on. These guys are 100% bunk. Pseudoscience at it’s finest, with their talk of harnessing the bodies “vital energy” to boost life force among other even more rediculous claims (that are all vehemently apposed by real doctors and scientists). These people are up there with flat-earthers. Here are a few other “treatment methods” that have all been proven to be completely ineffective. Some of them are still offered by naturopaths. The only time I’ve seen the scientific method in conjunction with Naturopathic medicine is when their claims are being debunked.
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AestheticsInMotion
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/18/2018 at 10:52 |
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The “doctor” the kids normally go to apparently tries to align their energy points to get proper balance back into the body.
The S2k seats were just set in place. Honestly I think I’m going to go back to my original setup, but with real VIOS seats instead of replicas this time. I’ll keep the S2k seats for a long term project. I kinda want to reupholster the center section with a cool tribal wool blanket or something weird!
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AestheticsInMotion
> LOREM IPSUM
04/18/2018 at 10:52 |
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Yeah not even going to read that. I don’t need to start off my morning angry haha
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 11:20 |
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Well my first response just disappeared when I tried to take a picture...
Basically this: I see why you worry about those kids. There is definitely something to energies, but how can they ignore treating the illnesses directly? Dumb.
As for the seats. I got excited when I saw them in haha, but yeah would take some serious fab work for sure. Not sure I’ve ever seen s2k seats in a Miata. In the mean time you have some dope new furniture for your living room! Also tribal wool lol.
I’m still waiting on fab 9 to ship my pci mounting bracket and just staring at my Sparco Sprint here in my living room. It fits me perfectly... can’t wait to put it in.
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DipodomysDeserti
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 11:32 |
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I can’t speak to your own knowledge or experience with natropathy, but most of what you’ve listed here are used by quacks, not legit natropaths. Most of the treatments you’re referencing would be considered homeopathy, not natropathy.
I have a health sciences degree from the University of Arizona and they offered natropathy classes (integrative medicine). My degree was issued by the College of Medicine, so they definitely weren’t using pseudoscience as evidence for the efficacy of treatments. The natropathy school in Arizona even offers their doctorates in conjunction with the University of Arizona’s medical school.
Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW!
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 11:33 |
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Yeah, don’t read it. I am angry now.
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AestheticsInMotion
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/18/2018 at 21:15 |
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Man I wish you were closer so we could test out our different setups! Looking forward to hearing about the final fitment. Are you sticking with stock belts or grabbing harnesses?
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 22:44 |
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Yeah same man! Someday!
I am sticking with the stock belts for now. Would prefer harnesses, but doing things as my budget allows, so hopefully stock belts will suffice for now.
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AestheticsInMotion
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/18/2018 at 22:58 |
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Stock belts worked fine for me until I could afford harnesses. Just be sure to route them properly through the shoulder and waist holes so they’re tight and aren’t just going OVER the seat
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 23:05 |
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Oooh I didn’t think about that. Good call. How did you do it? Take apart the seatbelt? Easy?
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AestheticsInMotion
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/18/2018 at 23:12 |
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Na it’s super simple. Just unbolt the bottom of the belt, and route it from the top through the left shoulder hole down to the left belt hole and then bolt the bottom back in place. When you use the belt you should put it over your body like normal and then through the right belt hole before latching it. But honestly I normally just went over the seat for the last step. Having the shoulder and left belt holes routed properly is the most important part
(Edit) a picture is worth a thousand words...
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> AestheticsInMotion
04/18/2018 at 23:27 |
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Wow yeah that is simple. I was actually worried how it would fit over top of the seat... going through the seat makes so much more sense. Thanks dude
Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/19/2018 at 14:54 |
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I have mine setup the same exact way. It was super simple to keep the stock three point belt with the seat. And putting a harness in is pretty easy as well. The only drilling involved is in the floor to get your 5th/6th points attached. I was able to just attach an eye-hook to the stock seat belt bottom bolt on one side and found an existing hole on the trans tunnel to use. Although, in the NA it should be even easier since the stock belt reciever mounts to the tunnel instead of the seat. So you do the same on both sides.
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> AestheticsInMotion
04/19/2018 at 14:55 |
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Real vios sounds like $$$$$$. How do you plan on protecting them from being stolen as well? After seeing what happened to you, I feel like I never want to get real ones.
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AestheticsInMotion
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/19/2018 at 15:03 |
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I liked the seats quite a bit, feel like I should pay the actual company something! I’ve got GPS trackers coming in. They’re super tiny and last for a very long time on a button battery. They will be hidden on all pricey items, plus I’m looking for a hardtop, and eventual garage
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> AestheticsInMotion
04/19/2018 at 16:50 |
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Isnt the hardtop just more at risk of being stolen? I have seen some videos advertising some sort of tamper resistant mounts to make it harder to steal without cutting off the mounts. Since normally you can just smash the windows and off goes the top to make an easy $1k. I like the GPS tracker idea. I wonder if some sort of alarm system with phone alerting would be of value. But yeah physical security inside your own garage is certainly the best you could hope for.
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AestheticsInMotion
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/19/2018 at 21:10 |
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Pretty sure I know who took my stuff. They were evicted, and lots of drug stuff and broken up bikes were found in the apartment. Hoping I don’t have to worry about this shit now that they’re gone..
Yeah the security brackets and hardware are apparently pretty good?? I know Garage star makes em... That’s the idea. Silent alarm with phone alerts is definitely something I’ll be looking into. My twenty-years-a-marine neighbor also set up security cameras and good god I would hate to be a thief caught by him....
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AestheticsInMotion
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/19/2018 at 21:12 |
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You didn’t use the stock belt receiver hole on the garage star brackets? At least I think that’s what that hole was for...
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> AestheticsInMotion
04/20/2018 at 00:20 |
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It needed like 45 washers to make it fit there. I tried, it wasn’t pretty lol. The problem was that the receiver was too close to the seat to fit the buckle. I think the NA receiver is different maybe. I know that mounting to the tunnel was easy peasy and gave me no trouble once I tried that instead. I just had to use a passenger seat receiver on the driver side since it was reversed.
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/20/2018 at 19:41 |
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Nice good to hear it’s doable. Although as far as the seatbelt receivers: they are actually mounted to the seat on mine. Must have changed... maybe na8s are all this way?
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/20/2018 at 21:19 |
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Depending on the seat and mount, you may be able to just mount to it anyways. I like the Trans tunnel mount better just because it seems more secure.
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/20/2018 at 22:50 |
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I’m planning on mounting the receiver to the pci mount... hopefully that works!
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/21/2018 at 20:46 |
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Certainly worth a try. Not difficult to mount to the tunnel though since no drilling is required. It was tough to thread the nut on the back with the Trans in the way but I did my harness on a lift so i was able to reach in there. You doing 5 or 6 point harness?
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/21/2018 at 23:39 |
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No harness yet... cause money lol, but I know my seat bracket comes with a specific thing to mount the factory belt to. I’m not sure exactly how it’ll go, but I’m sure it will be sufficient for now.
No drilling is required? Hmm I assumed I would have to drill a hole.
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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
04/22/2018 at 00:08 |
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Well you need drilling for the bottom bolts, since those go through the floor
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mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
> Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
04/22/2018 at 09:25 |
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Ok figured. I am trying to not drill any more holes lol, but if it comes to it... hopefully it won’t